Some days ago I decided to upgrade my laptop from stable to testing.
I had tried Jessie since several months, in my husband’s laptop, but that was a fresh install, and a not-so-old laptop, and we have not much software installed there.
In my netbook (Compaq Mini 110c), with stable, I already had installed Pumpa, Dianara and how-can-i-help from testing, and since the freeze is coming, I thought that I could full-upgrade and use Jessie from now on, and report my issues and help to diagnose or fix them, if possible, before the freeze.
I keep Debian stable at work for my desktop and servers (well, some of them are still in oldstable, thanks LTS team!!), and I have testing in a laptop that I use as clonezilla/drbl server (but I had issues, next week I’ll put some time on them and I’ll write here my findings, and report bugs, if any).
So! let’s go. Here I write my experience and the issues that I found (very few! and not sure if they are bugs or configuration problems or what, I’ll keep an eye on them).
I pointed my /etc/apt/sources.list to jessie, then apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade. (With the servers I am much more careful, read the release notes, upgrade guides and so, or directly I go for a fresh install, but with my laptop, I am too lazy).
I went to bed (wow, risky LArjona!) and when I got up for going to work, the laptop was waiting for me to accept to block root from ssh access, or restart some services, and so. Ok! the upgrade resumed… but I have to go to work and I wanted my laptop! Since all the packages were already downloaded, I closed the lid (double risky LArjona!) unplugged it, put everything in my bag, and catched the bus in time 🙂
At the bus, I opened again the lid of my laptop (crossing fingers!) and perfect, the laptop had suspended and returned back to life, and the upgrade just resumed with no problem. Wow! I love you Debian! After 15 minutes, I had to suspend again, since the bus arrived and I had to take the metro. In the metro, the upgrade resumed, and finished. I shutdown my laptop and arrive to work.
Testing testing 🙂
In a break for lunch, I opened my brand new laptop (the hardware is the same, but the software totally renewed, so it’s brand new for me). I have to say that use xfce, with some GNOME/GTK apps installed (gedit, cheese, evince, XChat…) and some others that use Qt or are part of the KDE project (Okular, Kile, QtLinguist, Pumpa, Dianara). I don’t know/care too much about desktops and tweaking my desktop: I just put the terminal and gedit in black background, Debian wallpaper is enough dark for me so ok, put the font size a bit smaller to better use my low-vertical-resolution, and that’s all, I only go to configure something else if there’s something that really annoys me.
My laptop booted correctly and a nice, more modern LightDM was greeting me. I logged in and everything worked ok, except some issues that follow.
Network Manager and WPA2-enterprise wireless connections
I had to reconfigure some wireless connections in Network Manager. At the University we use WPA2-enterprise, TTLS + PAP. I had stored my username and password in the connection, and network manager seemed to remember the username but not the password. No problem, I said, and I wrote it when it asked, but… the “Save” or “OK” button was greyed out. I could not click it.
Then I went to edit the connections, and more or less the same, it seems that I could edit, but not save the (new) configuration. Finally, I removed the wireless connection and created it again, and everything worked as a charm.
This, I had to do it with the two wireless in my University (both of them are WPA2-enterprise TTLS + PAP). At home, I have WPA2 personal, and I had no issues, everything worked ok.
This problem is not appearing in a fresh install, since there are no old configs to keep.
Adblock Plus not working any more
I opened Iceweasel and I began to see ads in the webpages that I visited. What? I checked and Adblock plus was installed and activated… I reinstalled the package xul-ext-adblock-plus and it worked again.
Strange display in programs based on Qt
When I opened Pumpa I noticed that the edges of the windows where too rough, as if it was not using a desktop theme. I asked to a friend that uses Plasma and he suggested to install qt4-qtconfig, and then, select a theme for my Qt apps. It worked like a charm, but I find strange that I didn’t need it before in stable. Maybe the default xfce configuration from stable is setting a theme, and the new one is not setting it, and so, the Qt apps are left “barefoot”.
With qtconfig I chose a GTK+ Style GUI for my Qt apps and then, they looked similar to what I had in stable (frankly, I cannot say if it was “similar” or “exactly the same”, but I didn’t find them strange as before, so I’m fine).
Strange display in programs from GNOME
Well, this is not a Jessie problem, it’s just that some programs adopted the new GNOME appearance, and since I’m on xfce, not on GNOME, they look a bit strange (no menus integration, and so). I am not sure that I can run GNOME (fallback, classic?) in my 1 GB RAM laptop, I have to investigate if I can tweak it to use less memory, or what.
I’m not very tied to xfce, and in fact it does not look so light (well, on top of it, I don’t run light programs, I run Iceweasel, Icedove, Libreoffice, and some others). At work I use GNOME in my desktop, but with GNOME shell, not the fallback or classic modes, so I’m thinking about giving a chance to MATE or second chance to LXDE. We’ll see.
Issues when opening the lid (waking up from suspend)
This is the most strange thing I found in the migration, and the most dangerous one, I think.
As I said before, I don’t tweak too much my desktop, if it works with the default configuration. I’m not sure that I know the differences between suspend, hibernate, hard disks disconnections and so. When I was in stable, and I closed the lid of my laptop, it just shutdown the screen, then I heard something like the system going to suspend or whatever, and after some seconds, the harddisk and fans stop, the wireless led turns off, and the power led begins to blink. Ok. When I open the lid, then it was waking up itself (the power led stayed on, the wireless led turns on, and when I tap the touchpad or type anything, the screen was coming, with the xscreensaver asking for my password). Just sometimes, when the screen was turning on, I could see my desktop for less than a second, before xscreensaver turns the background black and asks for the password.
Now since I migrated to Jessie, I’m experiencing a different behavior. When I close the lid, the laptop behaves the same. When I open the lid, the laptop behaves the same, but when I type or tap the touchpad and xscreensaver comes to ask the password, before than I can type it, the laptop just suspends again (or hibernates, I’m not sure), and I have to press the power button in order to bring it back to life (then I see the xscreensaver again asking for the password, I type it, and my desktop is there, the same as I left it when I closed the lid).
Strange, isn’t it?
I have tried to suspend my laptop directly from the menu, and it comes to the same state in which I have to press the power button in order to bring it back to life, but then, no xscreensaver password is required (which is double strange, IMHO).
Things I miss in Jessie
Well, until now, the only thing I miss in Jessie is the software center. I rarely use it (I love apt) but I think it makes a good job in easing the installation of programs in Debian for people coming from other operative systems (specially after smartphones and their copied software stores became popular).
I hope the maintainer can upload a new version before the freeze, and so, it enters in the release. I’ll try to contact him.
Update 2014/07/20: Julian Andres Klode, maintainer of software-center, just replied (see his comment below) and pointed to GNOME Software (gnome-packagekit) as alternative. I just installed and it looks neat and nice. I’m very happy!
I have a Debian stable laptop at work (this one with xfce + GNOME), I’ll try to upgrade it and see if I see the same problems that I notice in mine. Then, I’ll check the corresponding packages to see if there are open bugs about them, and if not, report them to their maintainers.
I have to review the wiki pages related to the Jessie Desktop theme selection, I think they wanted the wallpaper to be inside before the freeze. Maybe I can help in publicity about that, handle the votings and so. I like Joy, but it’s time to change a bit, new fresh air into the room!